Fascists and Kooks

we all bleed the same colour

Published on June 2, 2004 By Muggaz In Politics

“Maybe Rights are just more open minded than the left” – this has to be one of the most inflammatory remarks I have seen in my short blogging career! I found the comment on the JU feature page; you can read it here.

I am not going to shirk any issues here – unfortunately, the term fascist is all too easy to bandy about, I myself am guilty of brandishing the term upon some in a not in-frequent fashion, alas, I know they are not fascists in the true sense of the word, but it is ever so easy to integrate into any argument coming from the right.

The same can be said for the term ‘kook’ I believe it be can successfully argued that the term ‘kook’ has been dropped quite more substantially than the friendly ‘F’ word. How can it be so easy to align yourself with the left, when almost anything you say can be construed as ‘kook’ diatribe!

I try to keep my political activity to a minimum at JU – I am simply not in the same league as guys like Draginol, Greywar, or on the other side, Kingbee or Saint-Ying, however, I am very noticeably left, and I pride myself on my open mind.

When you assess people’s political leanings, and factionalise them accordingly, one side is always going to say the other has it easier. I won’t go so far as to say that those leaning to the right are closed minded, but I would like to question Karmagirls reasoning behind assuming supposed ignorance on the side of the left.

From my perspective – anyone from the right really struggles with broad and open thought. I am not so brash as to state they are not capable, but I sometimes find myself questioning their opinion, as it seems they discount so many factors when drawing their political conclusions.

This is what makes a place like JU so great. Would anyone bother reading arguments from the other side if they were so ‘closed minded’?

I would argue that those on the left would have more of an International concern. In today’s global climate, I suppose Karma can only assume how difficult it is to be on the ‘left’ because she is certainly on the right. If I can explain one thing about myself personally, and hopefully most of those inclined to the left, we don’t just rant and rave about people dieing, bombs being dropped etc… we generally care for the wellbeing of Humanity…

If the right think it’s easy to care about perceived injustice, then they are really more self centred than I thought, it just goes to prove why people are left, and why people are right. My interpretation based on these facts would be that the left are people who care about everyone, whereas the right simply care about their own personal agenda’s - which Karma correctly assumed.

Then again, we could both be wrong.

BAM!!!

Comments (Page 4)

Draginol

on Jun 03, 2004

Saint Ying proves it's possible to be both a fascist and a kook at the same time.

KarmaGirl

on Jun 03, 2004

Draginol, that one deserves an "insightful"!

RationalCop

on Jun 03, 2004

KharmaGirl,

KarmaGirl, quit the shameless self promotion, the flagrant and prejudicial producerist pride. You think you're special because you work hard. You're not. You're no more worthy than anyone else,

While you may not share the following beliefs (meaning only that I won't make that presumption), your ability to produce through actual production and achievement are very worthwhile things one SHOULD be proud of. Your worth isn't to be determined by one person's opinion, particularly one who has apparent socialist leanings. I would guess to him, your worth would consist of what you would sacrifice of yourself for the good of others, or worse, the state. You are the best one to know your accomplishments, and the value that you provide or exchange with others.

VES

Muggaz

on Jun 03, 2004

Who said anything about fighting? What about volunteering to help the needy? What about donating to food pantries or donating time at soup kitchens? What about helping elderly? Or on a smaller scale, help you neighbors or family that are in need? What about leading by example? But, like I said before, actions are harder than words. It's much easier to talk about what needs to be done than to start making small changes that will add up. If you really want to advocate, you have to be in the action along with the people you are trying to get to help.

This goes without saying Karma... He who gives has way more than he who doesn't... I dont gloat though.... I am glad you brought up the point though... you shouldn't assume that I sit around typing about the worlds problems...

I really don't think that you do, either that or you have a very odd way of showing it. You have right out said that I am something I am not. How can you possibly say you know where I am coming from?

I apologised way up there somewhere Karma... what I would really like to know is how can you claim to be liberal, yet you blatantly claim the other side has a more open mind? I would really like to know whether you are arthur or martha... I dont think you know where you stand, let alone me...

You are the best one to know your accomplishments, and the value that you provide or exchange with others.

Thanks for saying that RC...

BAM!!!

RationalCop

on Jun 03, 2004

Thanks for saying that RC

Not sure why you are thanking me for saying that to Kharmagirl, but whatever.

VES

KarmaGirl

on Jun 03, 2004

what I would really like to know is how can you claim to be liberal, yet you blatantly claim the other side has a more open mind?

Because I call it as i see it. Obviously, it was a "broad generalization" so don't worry about it

Muggaz

on Jun 03, 2004

Not sure why you are thanking me for saying that to Kharmagirl, but whatever.

Because the point is true for everyone. I have not criticised what Karma does... she criticises what I do - or 'dont do' when she doesn't even know... she basically has no knowledge at all on my contribution to society, she assumes I sit home and do nothing.

I am comfortable with my contribution to society... but I am also comfortable with people 'Whining' when they dont like the current state of affairs...

Karma gives me the impression that she dislikes most people whinging about welfare, and that alot of them dont deserve it... I tend to opperate on a different level... perhaps with a little but more compassion, my assessment on who deserves welfare would probably be a little more generous than hers...

That doesn't make me a better person - it makes us different people.

BAM!!!

Muggaz

on Jun 03, 2004

Because I call it as i see it. Obviously, it was a "broad generalization" so don't worry about it

Touche

BAM!!!

KarmaGirl

on Jun 03, 2004

she basically has no knowledge at all on my contribution to society, she assumes I sit home and do nothing.

that's probably because you said previously in this post that you don't do anything when I asked what you do.. Sorry for taking your own words as the truth.

Muggaz

on Jun 03, 2004

that's probably because you said previously in this post that you don't do anything when I asked what you do.. Sorry for taking your own words as the truth.

show me where I said that Angie?

you assume I do nothing... you know nothing of my donations, contributions, attendance etc.... I can tell you it's not nothing

BAM!!!

RationalCop

on Jun 03, 2004

But people who sit on their butts complaining and doing nothing about it are just less competition for me.

That has to be about the most insightful comment in this whole thread.

VES

RationalCop

on Jun 03, 2004

Muggaz,

Because the point is true for everyone.

Your words, not mine. What I said, I said to KarmaGirl, and it was contextual. I didn't say it as a truism because it isn't.

VES

Muggaz

on Jun 03, 2004

I didn't say it as a truism because it isn't.

I would say that it is a truism, because you cant really judge anyone elses contribution, before you judge your own.

BAM!!!

KarmaGirl

on Jun 03, 2004

show me where I said that Angie?

you assume I do nothing... you know nothing of my donations, contributions, attendance etc.... I can tell you it's not nothing

So, Muggaz, what do you do to progress mankind? What do you do to change things that you see wrong?

I write, I speak, I vote.

So, what do you do to change "crap" that you don't like? Voting helps, but what do you do when the person you voted for loses?

I have a good teaching demeanor... and I know i can do nothing on my own, but if i can teach and learn to the best of my abilities, I am performing my responsibilities as a modern day sage...

Why? Why do you say that? Why do you feel that you can only "tell" other people what you see is wrong?

dont you know that the pen is mightier than the sword?

a printed letter to a newspaper, attendance at a rally... teaching some pleb at a pub that the labour govenrment in Australia will do nothing but ruin the economy... Like i said before, If i can get my message through to at least one person, and then they get it to the next person, it is advocating change... a little bit of charisma means people actually listen to me...

It's just up to me to learn enough so i dont show them any false paths... I dont consider myself to be part of the way, I consider myself as one to enlighten about the way.

KarmaGirl

on Jun 03, 2004

Oh, and RC, I forgot to thank you for #48. Thank you!

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