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Published on June 2, 2004 By Muggaz In Politics
“Maybe Rights are just more open minded than the left” – this has to be one of the most inflammatory remarks I have seen in my short blogging career! I found the comment on the JU feature page; you can read it here.

I am not going to shirk any issues here – unfortunately, the term fascist is all too easy to bandy about, I myself am guilty of brandishing the term upon some in a not in-frequent fashion, alas, I know they are not fascists in the true sense of the word, but it is ever so easy to integrate into any argument coming from the right.

The same can be said for the term ‘kook’ I believe it be can successfully argued that the term ‘kook’ has been dropped quite more substantially than the friendly ‘F’ word. How can it be so easy to align yourself with the left, when almost anything you say can be construed as ‘kook’ diatribe!

I try to keep my political activity to a minimum at JU – I am simply not in the same league as guys like Draginol, Greywar, or on the other side, Kingbee or Saint-Ying, however, I am very noticeably left, and I pride myself on my open mind.

When you assess people’s political leanings, and factionalise them accordingly, one side is always going to say the other has it easier. I won’t go so far as to say that those leaning to the right are closed minded, but I would like to question Karmagirls reasoning behind assuming supposed ignorance on the side of the left.

From my perspective – anyone from the right really struggles with broad and open thought. I am not so brash as to state they are not capable, but I sometimes find myself questioning their opinion, as it seems they discount so many factors when drawing their political conclusions.

This is what makes a place like JU so great. Would anyone bother reading arguments from the other side if they were so ‘closed minded’?

I would argue that those on the left would have more of an International concern. In today’s global climate, I suppose Karma can only assume how difficult it is to be on the ‘left’ because she is certainly on the right. If I can explain one thing about myself personally, and hopefully most of those inclined to the left, we don’t just rant and rave about people dieing, bombs being dropped etc… we generally care for the wellbeing of Humanity…

If the right think it’s easy to care about perceived injustice, then they are really more self centred than I thought, it just goes to prove why people are left, and why people are right. My interpretation based on these facts would be that the left are people who care about everyone, whereas the right simply care about their own personal agenda’s - which Karma correctly assumed.

Then again, we could both be wrong.

BAM!!!

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on Jun 02, 2004

It seems to me like "altruistic" liberals are the most closed-minded of all. Besides judging a person's entire character by political party (as proven by a few dating blogs), they seem to think that anybody who wants to improve society in a different way is a bad person.


Sure, to them, throwing money at the less fortunate is a solution, but some have different ideas on how to help the downtrodden. It's like the saying goes.... Give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man to fish, he eats for life.


After all, if I'm not mistaken, even the most socialist of places have social problems.


As for fascist vs. kook, I don't mind people being called kooks so much as I mind people being called fascists in the same way people don't mind when I call somebody a jerkwad than when I call them a child molestor.

on Jun 03, 2004

BTW, Draginol, go screw yourself.

Why do you have such an attitude?  It's really hard to take anything you say seriously when you say things like this. 

BTW, Saint Ying, go blog somewhere else.

on Jun 03, 2004

Your car doesn't effect everyone else... I am talking about society, and you are talking about your car... great.

Yes, because that should have been taken literally.

So, Muggaz, what do you do to progress mankind?  What do you do to change things that you see wrong?

on Jun 03, 2004
So, Muggaz, what do you do to progress mankind? What do you do to change things that you see wrong?


I write, I speak, I vote.

I dont put up with crap that I dont like...

I dislike welfare dodgers as much as you do... I beleive life is unfair as you do... I get over it, as you do, I stand on my own feet, because I can. I stand a little taller, for those who can't.

BAM!!!

on Jun 03, 2004

I dont put up with crap that I dont like...

So, what do you do to change "crap" that you don't like?  Voting helps, but what do you do when the person you voted for loses?

I dislike welfare dodgers as much as you do... I beleive life is unfair as you do... I get over it, as you do

That's might "right" of you

on Jun 03, 2004
Voting helps, but what do you do when the person you voted for loses?


I do what I am doing now... tell people why i dont like it, and If i influence at least one person, It has made it all worth while... This may sound whack to you, but I would consider myself a modern day sage... I have a good teaching demeanor... and I know i can do nothing on my own, but if i can teach and learn to the best of my abilities, I am performing my responsibilities as a modern day sage...

ask Lao Tzu...

I am still young, and have a lot to learn, but I have a role in this world, no matter how small, a role none the less.

BAM!!!
on Jun 03, 2004

and I know i can do nothing on my own

Why?  Why do you say that?  Why do you feel that you can only "tell" other people what you see is wrong? 

Funny, you told me that I was right wing.  You told me that you prided yourself with having an open mind, you then said that you would like me to prove you wrong about me being conservative.  I then told you some of the things I *do* to help right the wrongs I see.  What do you do?  You say "I don't think you are liberal enough to understand why some people are so aggreived".  Even though I am the one *doing* something to change things.  You also said "Just so we are clear... I am also not a fan of people who do nothing but whinge... " but then you say that you *do* nothing but talk.  And you claim to be more progressive than I am.  Pish.

on Jun 03, 2004
I dont know what you are implying - do you expect me to strap on my red hat and flag, with a big machine gun, and storm the whitehouse?

dont you know that the pen is mightier than the sword?

a printed letter to a newspaper, attendance at a rally... teaching some pleb at a pub that the labour govenrment in Australia will do nothing but ruin the economy... Like i said before, If i can get my message through to at least one person, and then they get it to the next person, it is advocating change... a little bit of charisma means people actually listen to me...

It's just up to me to learn enough so i dont show them any false paths... I dont consider myself to be part of the way, I consider myself as one to enlighten about the way.

This is quickly turning into 'kook rubbish' that would have any opinion of mine discounted.... i will stop there,

I know where you are coming from, and I respect that - why cant you try and see where I am coming from?

BAM!!!

on Jun 03, 2004

dont you know that the pen is mightier than the sword?

Who said anything about fighting?  What about volunteering to help the needy?  What about donating to food pantries or donating time at soup kitchens?  What about helping elderly? Or on a smaller scale, help you neighbors or family that are in need?  What about leading by example?  But, like I said before, actions are harder than words.  It's much easier to talk about what needs to be done than to start making small changes that will add up.  If you really want to advocate, you have to be in the action along with the people you are trying to get to help.

I know where you are coming from, and I respect that -

I really don't think that you do, either that or you have a very odd way of showing it.  You have right out said that I am something I am not.  How can you possibly say you know where I am coming from?

And, I see where you are coming from.  I just don't agree with it. 

on Jun 03, 2004
BTW, Saint Ying, go blog somewhere else.


And you yourself need to start preparing for the excruciating pain and misery of hell, your rightful desert for being such a failure, for blinding yourself from the supreme and glorious liberal Truth, the one and only answer. There can be no compromise.

BTW, KarmaGirl, quit the shameless self promotion, the flagrant and prejudicial producerist pride. You think you're special because you work hard. You're not. You're no more worthy than anyone else, and your charitable activities do not excuse you from thinking.
on Jun 03, 2004

the supreme and glorious liberal Truth, the one and only answer. There can be no compromise

And, what is that liberal truth?  I wasn't aware that liberalism was a religion and that I will go to hell if I don't believe in it.

I see where these people get the "kook" thing from. 

You think you're special because you work hard.

uh, when did I ever say that?  Oh..wait...you are making an assumption about somebody that you know nothing about....silly me.

You don't know me- I don't know you.  Let's keep it that way.

on Jun 03, 2004
And you yourself need to start preparing for the excruciating pain and misery of hell, your rightful desert for being such a failure


Dude, I was trying to stay out of this because everyone's intitled to their own opinion, but come on? This is just down right rude and crass. If Karma's a failure, we're all doomed. Karma and I might not always agree on everything--but at least we are civil about it! Saint Ying--weren't you banned? Didn't you learn your lesson? Back off! You are way out of line!

Muggaz: Sorry for trolling--how will you ever forgive me?
on Jun 03, 2004

Saint Ying, I honestly hope that you are not serious and are simply trolling for a reaction, because you're doing nothing for your reputation or for your beliefs.

on Jun 03, 2004

shades, Saint Ying is posting from politicalmachine.com forums (which show the political section of the forums).  I think he may be a little too self absorbed in whatever political web he's in to realize that a lot of people don't live and breath politics enough to get *that* worked up over who is on what side, and that people on here usually treat each other with respect.

Common decency is not so very common anymore.

on Jun 03, 2004
Common decency is not so very common anymore.


amen
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