The Main Pillar of Western Society

The Main Pillar of Western Society - Ignorance

say it aint so

Published on August 23, 2004 By Muggaz In International

Stories of 16 year old girls being hanged in Iran as reported in this article surely do incense me and instil disgust within my heart, but no more than Greywar’s article reporting the incident.

If I was Islamic, right now I would place an edict on Greywars head, instead of directing his vitriol towards the fundamentalist Islamic radicals that run Iran, he has directed his diatribe and hatred directly towards Islam itself – The five pillars of Islam are not Rape, Death, Misogyny, Suicide or Hate… Greywar knows this, and I want to make sure you do as well.

I am lucky; I am not religious, so people like Greywar don’t have the benefit of judging me based on my faith. If I were Islamic though, I would be deeply offended – almost to the level where I would be happy to blow myself up to fight a seemingly lost cause based on the attitudes displayed here.

I am guilty of generalising in the past, and it’s only because of this, that I see the errors of my ways. We are constantly asking the question – Why do radical Muslim’s hate Americans so much? Well, the blog I have linked just now is answer enough… 9/11 commission – look no further.

How can people be so near sited to blame a whole religion and way of life for the actions of a select few radicals? Is anyone who reads Greywars article going to be able to see the bigger picture? Just because the Chinese are human rights monsters, does that mean all Asians are? Just because Fijians like Coconuts, do all Polynesians? I know many a Muslim, and I wouldn’t even dare to show them Greywars article, because they would become dejected, and disturbingly upset.

Just like the Iranian fundamentalist regime gives Islam a bad name, Greywar gives western society a bad name… I can see the Muslims now… the main pillar of Western Society – Ignorance. The sentiment of disgust shown at the trial hanging of a young girl is one I agree with, the generalisation that all Muslims are like this is not.

BAM!!!

Comments (Page 1)

Gideon MacLeish

on Aug 23, 2004

I agree, muggaz...the Muslims should place an edict on greywar's head. It would go a long way towards showing the world how they are a religion of peace.

The thing is, muggaz, his article wasn't far off. When a religion; ANY religion does this kind of thing, the practitioners should be denounced.

I as a Christian denounced the morons that protested at Matthew Sheppard's funeral.

I also denounced abortion clinic bombers.

While I don't stand in a high profile position, as a representative, an emissary (see my article "I am NOT a Role Model!") of my faith, it is my duty to express my abhorrence of these terrible acts. They do not represent Christian love, and it is my hope that the incident greywar described doesn't truly represent Islam as a whole. Unfortunately, many of the muslims who feel that it is inconsistent with the principles of Islam remain silent for fear of bringing down the wrath of these hatemongers on their head. By their silence, however, they convey a message of complicity.

greywar

on Aug 23, 2004

Not generalizing Muggaz, just reporting the facts. If they want thebullshit to stop all they have to do is stop it. just that easy. Sure condemn me for reporting on their revolting culture and leave the Muslim community a free pass for not only allowing it to happen but for dancing in the streets when it does. Feh.

greywar

on Aug 23, 2004

i give western society a bad name? I am equivalent to rapists marriages and hanging teenagers? Are you high again?

bakerstreet

on Aug 23, 2004

I think "A few radicals" is optimistic to the point of dishonesty. Differ if you must, but don't paint radical Islam as some small club in the Middle East.

BlueDev

on Aug 23, 2004

You bring up some important points Muggaz, even though I think you are off on some others. Generalizations based on what we hear from the media can often misrepresent the truth.

And when we make similar generalizations ourselves we fall into the very same trap. Lets hope we can all rise above that.

SSG Geezer

on Aug 23, 2004

Muggaz, Did you actually go and read the linked articles?
Some of the links shown in the comments to the last article there
were worth the price of admission on their own. You can condemn GW as a
rightist bigot, but I know him and it is stupidity and cupidity that he despises.
I can read the crap in the Sun , the NY Times, and Al Jazeeera, but I still have to think about it.

Muggaz

on Aug 23, 2004

i give western society a bad name? I am equivalent to rapists marriages and hanging teenagers? Are you high again?

No one is disputing your sentiments - but to point the finger directly at Islam based on the morons that run the theocracies is nothing short of disgusting.

I dont know if you have ever met in Muslims mate, but they aren't all savages... much to your shagrin no doubt...

I think "A few radicals" is optimistic to the point of dishonesty. Differ if you must, but don't paint radical Islam as some small club in the Middle East.

Ok, I digress... there seem to be more and more radicals every day... I would argue it's because their culture is denounced by the so called 'sophisticated' west - hence creating an inferiority complex.

Baker, I have had this conversation with you several times, we both agree Islam needs re-interpretation, but to point the finger and classs the whole religion as savage, as I have mentioned, disgusts me, it does nothing but fuel the flames - flames that America whinges about when they have to extinguish them.

BAM!!!

Muggaz

on Aug 23, 2004

The thing is, muggaz, his article wasn't far off. When a religion; ANY religion does this kind of thing, the practitioners should be denounced.

That's exactly right - the practitioners should be denounced... not the religion.

BAM!!!

Gideon MacLeish

on Aug 23, 2004

That's exactly right - the practitioners should be denounced... not the religion.

When the religion fails to denounce the acts, it is fair and right to call them on it. And the fact is, I have heard of NO imams denouncing these acts. If I am wrong, please point me to a single imam who has publicly denounced these acts. I'd like to send the man a letter of encouragement for his boldness.

Muggaz

on Aug 23, 2004

I dont see the pope denouncing kiddy sex acts either...

BAM!!!

Gideon MacLeish

on Aug 23, 2004

I dont see the pope denouncing kiddy sex acts either...

Again, you make the mistake of assuming all Christians are Catholics.

If you want a list of Christian ministers, myself included, who have denounced the pedophile priests, I would be happy to provide you with one.

kingbee

on Aug 23, 2004

I have heard of NO imams denouncing these acts. If I am wrong, please point me to a single imam who has publicly denounced these ac

???? nobody tried googling to find the muslims against terrorism site (theres more muslim clerical condemnation on that page alone than i care to endure) or running down the 800+ other hits you get by using muslim clerics condemn terror as keywords? hereya go Link

as far as im concerned the world should build a huge monastery for all the religious fundamentalists and then provide them free (if compulsory) transportation. just please make the place escape-proof.

Death_By_Beebles

on Aug 23, 2004

I dont see the pope denouncing kiddy sex acts either

He did do that though. I believe. Might be wrong. But I think he did.

Any way, your article is a good one. I know that a vast majority of all muslims are not like the ones that make the news. Just like a vast majority of all Christians are not in the KKK. Extremism is a problem that all religions have to deal with, IMO.

Peace,

Beebes

Gideon MacLeish

on Aug 23, 2004

Thank you, kingbee. That's all I was asking for, not a snide comment on the actions of people who practice a faith that isn't even mine.

Sorry, mugz, but I asked a legitimate question...and didn't get a legitimate response on that one.

cactoblasta

on Aug 23, 2004

And the fact is, I have heard of NO imams denouncing these acts. If I am wrong, please point me to a single imam who has publicly denounced these acts. I'd like to send the man a letter of encouragement for his boldness

Send one to the world's largest Muslim organisation, Nahdatul Ulama (NU) and Indonesia's second largest Muslim organisation, Muhammadiyah. In a joint statement referring to the Marriot Hotel bombing they condemned:

the act of terrorism as a heinous, ruthless and uncivilized crime against humanity, and belied religious values. As such, the perpetrators, under any pretext for their action, are in violation of religious norms.

.

Link

Condemnations of terror are more common in the Islamic world than the Western press likes to make out. If a cleric decries terrorism in the Islamic world and there's no reporters around, does he still make a noise?

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