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a lethal combination
Published on June 14, 2004 By Muggaz In Politics
I suppose deep wounds take a long time to heal, 60 years should be long enough though – you would think. The leaders of Europe successfully demonstrated that 60 years is indeed long enough to forget about the past, reconcile, and look to the future. German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder has demonstrated his nation’s guilt over WWII and desire for atonement over the past few weeks within the 60 year D-Day celebrations.

It would seem that this is not enough for some people. The Netherlands premier striker, Manchester United forward Ruud Van Nistelrooy has described his nation’s encounter with Germany in the European Championships as a chance of payback for 5 years of German occupation in World War II. Understandably the Germans are both shocked and appalled.

This isn’t the first time the matter has raised in European sport and most certainly not the first incident between the Dutch and the Germans. As recently as the 1988 championships, their were photos of a Dutch player wiping his rear with a West German uniform… in 1990 German striker Rudi Voeller was spat on by one of the Dutch team. Whenever England plays Germany, it’s never mentioned in public, but the undertones and scars of WWII are still lying under the surface… The Germans probably have the most intense rivalries in world sport, because of their chequered past.

This foolish attack by the Dutchman has sparked tirades of abuse from the German general public… claiming that “only the garbage men of Berlin wear such bright orange uniforms” (Orange is the Dutch national colour) and making flippant remarks about the strange odour of the Dutch coffee shops – a callous remark by a national identity on one side, has sparked a war of words between two entire nations…

Football, whilst marvellous indeed, is still only a game, and a figure with such status and view in the public eye opening old wounds, especially after such events and the Dutch queen Beatrix meeting with German dignitaries over the past few weeks, it’s not something I find extremely easy to understand. Maybe that’s why footballers play football… because they are too stupid to do anything else…

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Comments
on Jun 14, 2004
Football is a working class game, for people who go out and work hard all week, and then on a saturday afternoon all that aggression they have built up can be taken out on the pitch. Maybe it is for the man who is less able to vent his feelings, but it is still a way of doing it, I think football holds a higher significance than you give it credit for, even if it is only for the stupid man, and damn there's alot of them, hehe!
on Jun 14, 2004
Sally...

for you to say I dont give football any credit is shocking!!!

Surely, you can see I love the game, I suppose being an outside commentator on events in Europe make it extremely hard, but bringing up WWII and associated greivances in association is just plain wrong... as I have pointed out in the article, publicised comments from one of the tournaments stars have opened a lot of old woulds, and hostilities between the two nations on a general public level have probably increased dramatically over the past couple of days...

People can feel what they want, but when other people are involved, it's usually best to consider their feelings when making such remarks... Imagine the feelings of the Germans when they woke up to read their morning papers to learn that their current sports stars are going to be lashed out upon because of a German administration 60 years ago... or Dutch feelings remembering what it was like under occupation... the events need to be remembered, but not as motivation for beating the crap out of a soccer team...

BAM!!!
on Jun 14, 2004
for you to say I dont give football any credit is shocking!!!


*hangs her head in shame*

I'm sorry I know you have a high regard for the great game, and I agree the comments were silly and there was really no need for them. I just feel this is the only way people can voice their opinion, negative or not, and that's what he was doing, it wasn't the right thing to do.

People can feel what they want, but when other people are involved, it's usually best to consider their feelings when making such remarks...


I agree totally, as I said it's the stupids man way of sharing what he thinks, balls for brains huh!
on Jun 14, 2004
yes but football is also a sport that unifies the world in playing one simple game, i mean look how many member nations they are in FIFA plus ones that play it, I mean it's ENORMOUS. i guess it was wrong for the dutch player to say that (especially since he didn't live back in those times), but of course it is kinda hard with all the world problems and the kinda international situation we're in. i guess im babbling again, but...it just makes good football in my opinion. i definately want to watch the netherlands/germany game, and see who wins (probably germany, netherlands can't even get its team straight), it'd make one hell of a match. btw, did anyone see the france/england game? damn, that zidane can score!
on Jun 14, 2004
btw, did anyone see the france/england game? damn, that zidane can score!


hehe... check out the thread of mine in the sports section... young Sally and myself have a fair bit of incessant banter on the subject

As for Fifa being a world organisation that commands respect, I could not agree more... but it's for mending fences, not burning bridges. A Perfect example of this is when the USA played Iran in their opening game of the World Cup in France in 1998... they players gave each other flowers and all that mumbo jumbo, and to see that from two nations so ideologically opposed and verhemontly against each other, it is really inspiring... USA won 2-1

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on Jun 15, 2004
whch thread is it in?
on Jun 15, 2004
There is one small problem with your initial post Muggaz.... it is based on a lie. The paper reporting Van Nistelrooij saying these words is the infamous Bild Zeitung, always happy to stir the pot and create a nasty atmosphere, especially around Holland - Germany matches. What Van Nisterooij did say is that this is not just a simple footballmatch because there is so much hype around it with people dragging in the WC final of '74 and even the war of 60 years ago. He did NOT in any way talk about this being payback for the war, not from his side anyway. For the current crop of Dutch players, this is just a very important game against the Big Neighbor, but not terribly more important than games against for example France, England or Italy. It is the press that is making a spectacle of it and it's some simple minded dumbarses buying it.

Some good advice; NEVER trust Bild.
on Jun 15, 2004
Muggaz, keep in mind that this is EURO 2004. 1000+ year old animosities come into play. Every country in Europe is guilty of some form of atrocity over a neighbour, some old, some still quite fresh, some ongoing for centuries. Since a war in Europe is very unlikely nowadays and now with EU's enlargement the "new" Europe bundles together some old-age enemies, sport is pretty much the only "venue" where all the nationalistic hatred is brought out in.
on Jun 15, 2004
There is one small problem with your initial post Muggaz.... it is based on a lie


If this is indeed true, then my full apolokgies to Van Nistelrooy!!!! and shame on you dirty German newspaper!!!!

BAM!!!
on Jun 15, 2004
whch thread is it in?


Link

go crazy like a fox

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