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Published on March 24, 2004 By Muggaz In Current Events
I have been very loathe to check the news over the past few days. After the political assassination of Ahmed Yassin that took place earlier this week. I fear the retribution that will take place on behalf of this 'Terrorist' leader.

I will be honest with you here - When I see a report of a bus blowing up in Israel, I think to myself -

'how unfortunate, civilians have died for nothing, and more are going to die because of Israeli retribution, hopefully Israel and the US can nut out a plan and endeavour to make it work... this has to stop happening, what drives the suicide bomber to take his own life for the cause?'

The other day when the Israeli gunships disposed of their payloads I thought -

'What a blatant abuse of power and quite possibly the stupidest tactical move for any party that apparently desire peace'

Suicide bombing isn't right. Political assassinations against hostile groups such as Hamas are just plain stupid. Don't Israel see that with their power they have a certain amount of responsibility? By all means, try and capture these leaders and charge them with crimes, but killing them is ridiculous, and I have nothing but contempt for the state of Israel right now.

Its almost as though they see civilian life's as mere collateral damage. I am not sure if I am offering any profound words of wisdom here, but did the Israeli's sincerely believe that by killing the spiritual leader of Hamas the suicide bombings would stop? more people are going to die over the next twelve months than since the Intifada started in 1998 - this is not a guess, its almost a certainty.

I wish I knew how the Israeli people thought about this, because they are the ones that eat at the cafes, go to the night clubs, and catch the bus - do they feel comfortable with their government protaganising one of the more dangerous organisations on the planet? Do they know it is going to be them that suffers the casualties? not soldiers who understand what they are up for when the go to fight in a war?

I don't profess to know the solution to the suicide bombings. I imagine if I found a genie in a bottle and I had 3 wishes, I would like to think that is one of them. This is a vicious cycle, and because of the locality of the problem, and the meaning of the area to both Jewish, and Muslims, the whole globe is affected by the ongoing problems. Israel have successfully prolonged the issue, and have consented to the death of more civilians.

Hamas are not a responsible organisation - they will go and create havoc and bloodshed, and they care not for the consequences - this fact is as plain as daylight itself. Israel has a position of responsibility to protect its citizens. I would hardly say that they have been appeasing Hamas and such over the past 6 years. The fact is the Muslims are used to oppression - they dont really have that much to lose.

Israeli's might just have to get more accustomed to suicide bombings as long as the Zionist's hold sway.

Comments
on Mar 24, 2004

The thing is, Muggaz, the buses blow up whether Israel kills terrorists or not. Look at the years that Israel had progressive leaders. Each time Israel made concessions, more concessions were demanded. If they aren't conceded, someone threatens to blow up a bus. If you strike back after they do, you are really causing more terrorism?

The most notable attacks of the late 90's and early 21st century were all made shortly before various peace summits. These organizations are mercenary, hateful, and the last thing they want is peace for the Palestinian people.

You either suffer their attacks and fight back, suffer their attacks and give them whatever they ask, or suffer their attacks and do nothing. The Israeli people, like anyone else, could not stomach the two latter options.
on Mar 24, 2004
Thanks for your replying Baker... yours is an opinion i truely respect.

I understand exaclty what you are saying, but surely there has to be another way? This is a guerilla war, and everyone is fighting it within the Muslim ranks... you are never going to avert deaths - unfortunately it is inevitable in the melting pot that is the middle east, but there should be a policy of minimising deaths?

Assassinating the leader of Hamas has surely done more harm than good?

BAM!!!
on Mar 24, 2004
Israel has a plan: They want to wall off the Palestinans and start having them kill each other. How do you do that? Eliminate their leaders and let the ensuing internal power struggle take care of the rest. Israel is taking advantage of the fact that the Palestinians aren't a democracy. Their leaders fight their way to the top.
on Mar 24, 2004
And does that sound like the plan of a civilized nation?

I haven't really thought of that before - it most certainly would work in the end, however, from what i have seen all the factions within Palestine seem pretty pissed at just the Isreali's for the time being...

If that truely is the case Brad, i hold Israel in even more contempt.
on Mar 25, 2004
Bakerstreet: Doing less concession doesn't make less bomb, the past 2 years have seen a lot of blood

I think that ultimately Brad is right, Isreal doesn't want peace, At least as long as the likud rules the country. If the war strategy go on, the only long term solution is the total elimination of one side. In this perspective, Isreal will be the winner and will be happy to give any reasons to the palestinian to revolt even further.
on Mar 25, 2004
BTW Muggaz did you realise that you were using the Spiderman moral:

"With great powers came great responsibilities"

BAM
on Mar 25, 2004
I guess my question is one of details. In general, what do the Palestinians want. I have heard that they want their own state, alright, let’s start from the UN map from the 60s. Do they want a contiguous state, or is the separation do-able. Also, not immediately or considering Hamas, how do the Palestinians feel about Israel? If they desire its total removal, there will never be peace and Israel will have to re-evaluate its policies. If some sort of understanding can be arranged, we have a shot.

What exactly do they want?

IG
on Mar 25, 2004
The fundamentalists of Palestine wont be happy until the Jewish state is non-existent... that is never going to happen.

Ultimately they want sovreignety and a defined state with defined borders. Its a troublesome compromise because of the religious importance of the area, of course they both want this area and that....

Thats my take on the situation

very difficult stuff....
on Mar 25, 2004
I presume one of the areas is Jerusalem. Could the religious areas be rendered teir own areas? Similar to the Vatican ( in Italy but separate from it) or D.C. An independently controled, non-aligned area.

IG
on Mar 25, 2004
excellent article muggaz,,,a breath of fresh air...you make several excellent points.
on Mar 25, 2004
A good article on what Hamas want in Isreal

IG... i cant begin to explain the complexity of Jerusalem... there is one of the most holy of Muslim sites practically across the road from Jewish places of extreme reverance. IMHO Jerusalem should be an International city - none can claim it, you have hit the nail on the head.

Thanks for your comments guys
on Mar 25, 2004
Here is the article!!!

BAM!!!