A day to day acount of the whacky and wonderful world of Muggaz - i tend to be having too much fun these days, and often cannot remember moments due to debauchery - its time the internet repayed my loyalty by recording my antics.
So may quesions.
Published on February 12, 2004 By Muggaz In Pure Technology
I was brought up as a Roman Catholic. I attended Catholic schools throughout my life, and went to church every single Sunday till I was in year 10 (1997)

Even though I was going to church from year 7 to 10, there was something that happened in 1994 that made me question my faith immensely, and left me rather baffled.

I am not going to tell you what that event was; I am just going to tell you that you would understand. Can you imagine how hard it is for someone who was brought up to believe all these stories on creation and religion, to just loose faith?

Faith is something I think everyone will need to question shortly. With the advancement of the human species in Technological and Philosophical areas, we really have to start asking the hard questions.

Cloning and stem cell research… Should it be allowed?

Ask yourself this… If you got around with a bunch of friends, and commissioned some of them to glorify your life when you died in mysterious circumstances, and this group of friends became somewhat engrossed by the story of your life, that they told a few people around them, then a few people around them, then a few people around them… is that a religion? Jesus Christ had Christianity… Mark Sugden will have Sugdianity.

Please don’t consider me blasphemous… Christians have my utmost respect, as does anyone who has any faith in any religion. I am just rather suspect to all the facts.

Last night on the Television I saw a story on how a baby was just born in Sydney – it was apparently a carbon copy of its father, and it was organized by the sect known as the Raelians - http://www.rael.org/english/index.html

This group is based on one French guy’s apparition of an Alien being talking to him and telling him that he is the savior of mankind… yada yada yada. In stead of Adam and Eve, or Evolution, these guys preach that humans were ‘placed’ on earth 10,000 years ago by Aliens as a social experiment… “As if” I hear you all say.

Well, I am sorry, while that sounds spaced out, I simply don’t know that it isn’t true, so I won’t rubbish the idea.

We are all so comfortable in believing that there is a greater being out there… we all take solace in the fact that there is some superior being watching over us… but is he really watching over you? Is it something that has just been drummed into your head by society? your parents? your environment?

Let me ask you – how isn’t it possible that human’s were planted here by Aliens 10,000 years ago? We simply don’t know.

Religion is holding science back. Cloning a whole human being, that’s not really something I am comfortable with, but stem cell research for medicinal purposes – that is something I am comfortable with. http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/02/12/1076548160824.html - an article on the progress of stem cell research.

Stem cells are exciting because they can potentially be grown into any type of human tissue, even whole organs. They can be extracted from umbilical cord blood, bone marrow, even animals, but cloned cells are genetically identical to the person they were extracted from and of better quality

There are sooo many ethical questions though… how would you feel accepting a manufactured kidney?

If it means the quality of some ones life will improve… how is that an ethical question?

I am at a stage in my life where I will feel more spiritual on the beach, in the forest or up in the mountains than I ever do in a church, but I am also at a stage where I wish I knew more… It doesn’t really matter though, As long as I try to be the best person I can be… God, Ganesha, Jesus, Aliens, Mohammad and the great spirits will all be proud of me.

As a people though, I don’t think we can let archaic notions of supreme beings hold us back.

Your thoughts and comments will be well received.

Peace Out.

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on Feb 13, 2004
Any logical / scientific argument falls flat. It can be countered round and round till the kangaroos come home (do kangaroos come home? - heheh). Evolution? Big Bang? God made them. And so it goes. Round and round. It seems to me also to be a bit disingenuous requiring proof for faith - it is essentially unprovable - faith is: the firm belief in something for which there is no truth (trust me - I just looked it up). So I try not to get involved in that line of reasoning - to me, it is not a useful discussion.

Your question:
If it was categorically proven that God didn't exist tomorrow
illustrates the point well. If it was proven tomorrow that God didn't exist - people would still believe. The VAST majority of people would still believe. And in fact I would bet that many non-believers would suddenly believe. That is the nature of it. The human mind is a curious thing don't you think?

How do I know my mother loves me? Well she does certain things which constitue proof, and I can logically determine she loves me.

It's missing the point.

I know she loves me because I feel it in my heart.

That is why I liked the post from Hans the best - it described this in a very personal way and I think quite eloquently.

there you go.
on Feb 13, 2004
Lol Imajinit!!!!

Kick it up a notch...

Nothing anyone can write here can make me sure there is a God... just like nothing anyone can write here will validate my position of faith at the moment...

In the movie 'Dogma' with Kevin Smith, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon (Where Alanis Morrisette plays God) i suppose my attitutde to faith is summed up best.... When is was younger, i was a altar boy in church, and i was sure of God... but now i am older, i start asking the questions - When you have a little cup, its easier to fill with faith, as you get older, the cup gets bigger, and its harder to fill.

Imajinit - You say without God there is no hope... There are a lot of religions around the world i.e 'Shinto' where there is no divine being, just nature... they have hope???
on Feb 13, 2004


I believe in God. I went through a methodical process of asking myself questions about the nature of the universe and my existance and came to the conclusion that the universe has an intelligent design - meaning that it the complexity cannot be attributed to randomness, but can only be explained by the presense of an intellect creating and implementing a design. I also came to believe that 'Good' and 'Evil' exist; independant of my interpretation. I believe that evil was something that only human beings are cabaple of perpetrating. After looking at any number of different philosophies and religions (Existentialism, Bhudism, Toaism, etc.) I felt that Christianity best describes the reality of the human condition. Ultimately, I came to the conclusion that Jesus, based on his words and actions as recorded in the bible, is trustworthy.

I am painfully aware that all these things, these beliefs, are based on my own interpretations, perceptions, and predjudices. I am furthermore aware of my utter lack of ability to actually 'Know' anything. So everything is a guess, hopefully educated, at best. But that is my guess, that is my faith - as faith is all I can have. I have chosen, despite my own inadequacies, predjudices and fears, this way of belief.

That does not mean that I believe in a particular church or in christianity as it is practiced. I have no fellowship which I can call home at the moment. But I believe in God, and in Jesus His son, for my own reasons.

Faith is not blind, and never has been, not real faith anyway. Faith is stepping into the abyss of not knowing with your eyes wide open.
on Feb 13, 2004
That movie "Dogma" is one of my all time favorite movies. I love it!

I also love God and his son Jesus, and believe in them with all my heart... oh and the Holy Spirit too!
and i'm sorry that you do not. But we all have to come to God on our own terms.

You are right... nothing that anyone writes will make you believe. This means that it is probably going to take something much greater to make you believe...

hope you're ready when the time comes
on Feb 15, 2004
I was in the process of writing you a reply when I was interrupted. A friend told me a story that I really liked. Someone we know died of a drug overdose. He was only eighteen. At the funeral someone said, "I know that God has a plan." He didn't finish the sentence. Someone who attended the funeral and was very upset about his death, asked my friend, "What was the end of the sentence?" My friend said. "I know that God's plan wasn't for him to overdose on drugs."

God plans only good things for us, but we or someone else messes up those plans. God gave us free will and so we can make choices that not only effect us but the whole world. I know for myself that God is good and that he loves me. I can fail, but he forgives. If you want to have faith, then pray to God and ask for it. He will give it to you if you want it. Faith is a gift from God. We didn't figure it out on our own. Growing up with believers can both help and hinder.

Another friend of mine, I call Carol was the daughter of an alcoholic. She loved her father very much. After he died, she wanted to know the meaning of life and prayed, then she went to the nearest church. She did find God through that church and found the purpose of her life.
on Feb 15, 2004
God plans only good things for us

So.. as mortals how do we determine what is "good" and what is "bad" ? Perhaps this teen died from an overdose because the effect of the death influenced two people to stop taking drugs? Perhaps had this teen not died, the next weekend in a drugged out haze he would have ran over a family of three, killing a father and two innocent children and leaving a devout mother questioning god. Perhaps death was in his plan, afterall, didn't Jesus die for our sins?

How can we know God's plan - especially when what is revealed seems to be different for different people. Are the suicide bombers of hezbollah following God's plan? How do we truely "know"? And if we can never know completely, and can only struggle and try to do our best, then what is the point? Why not leave everything up to fate - to God's plan?
on Feb 15, 2004
Run to the subgenius.... run!

I thank Bob every day that I have a mind, and sometimes I know how to use it....
on Feb 15, 2004
I just want to make it known that I love the whole Jay and Silent Bob series particularly DOGMA!!!! haha, we share a common bond, friends.

Trinitie
on Feb 15, 2004
I think i need to go and see Mel Gibsons Passion Play....

Thats where my problem lies at the moment... I am just very cynical towards Christianity/Catholicism... Basically the divinity of a human being (Jesus)

I have created another post, but i just think God is a concept of great and good... rather than being a single divine being to worship and praise.

Sherye... i appreciate your comments... but... "If you want to have faith, then pray to God and ask for it. He will give it to you if you want it"

If i want faith, i will look inside my soul... i am not going to ask a manufactured God that i dont beleive in, to give me the power to beleive.

If you have to ask to have faith, you shouldn't have it anyway.
on Feb 15, 2004
I'm sorry Muggaz, but I don't understand why you think it is wrong to ask God for faith and why one should have it anyway. Faith is believing in things that are not seen. Most of us live by what we can see. If God is greater than me, why can't I ask Him for what I need?
on Feb 15, 2004
Well, I look forward to seeing The Passion of Christ too Muggaz. It's just my opinion, and I'd be embarassed to say how off track that has been, and how many times I have been totally wrong, but you are seeking out for somthing. The thing that has happened to me and I think many others, is that when you begin to question what you have previously believed (not a bad thing), you seek out other answers. The problem arises often for people like me, thinkers, maybe even analytical types, we like facts. Something we can say, "I know, that I know, that I know, this is real." But with so many philosophies, and religions in the world, what the heck man! How frustrating can things get?!

Anyway, I hope you can see that you aren't alone on this. It's arguable that everybody's situation is different, of course; every Christian knows his own testimony, every non-believer has his own reasons. The thing that challenges me as a believer is that God is spirit, I can't touch Him, I can't observe Him with my senses (chicken skin isn't evidence that you're in his precense! ) And the things that matter to Him aren't tangible either! (Man this is a project for me!) He doesn't want to see us impact the world and save peoples lives as much as He wants to be connected to us first, just like any father wants to be connected to his child. Of course, a father desires the best for his child, and desires to see that child excel, and live to his or her potential, and how proud that would make a father. But whithout ever having a relationship with that child how sad also; how can a father be a father without a relationship with his child?

Then that to me would explain Jesus' purpose, not just as a great teacher and prophet as some say, but as a sacrifice. Because of the sin of Adam, all of his descendants--mankind--was born into sin (no matter how selflessly and flawlessly a man may live his life his, unfortunately, is a "sinner." I know, not fair; wouldn't you have wanted to jump into the garden of Eden and tackle Adam before he bit that apple? Though, tackling a naked guy, i dont know about that--well, no need to epound on that.)
ANYWAY! That was God's way, to make a way for Him to have relationships with his creations, so that He can call us His children. And when we die, because we believed and did not rebel and reject Him, we get to spend eternity with Him.

I suppose that is where faith becomes the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen. Faith is living your life according to something that you only have hope for. If you know something because you can see, touch, smell and hear it--that's not faith because you know it's there. We desire to see evidence, but faith IS the the evidence. When you see a man on fire living passionately and genuinely, that is the evidence. We don't see or understand, but we begin to believe, just a little more.

Is God my crutch?
Well if so, I hope I never forget deoderant . I told you earlier that I know I'm imperfect, and man have I made an idiot of myself a thousand times over. I've done things that I regret, just like anybody. There have been times I should have apologiesed--but my pride held me back. So I hope that He does help me walk better.
on Feb 15, 2004
I understand, Mug, if you don't believe, asking would help nothing. One of these dayz you'll see, I just hope it's sooner rather than later.

Trinitie
on Feb 15, 2004
I have faith... faith in the concept of good and love and all that...

but the Christian/Catholic/Jewish/Islam God just doesn't exist to me... the image of the benevolant white old man or whatever... same goes for Jesus... i think he was just made up or perhaps exaggerrated to validate christianity. As an entity, he is non-existent. I am stickling with teh concept theory.

this is what i am interpretting -

"God, i dont beleive in you, but i am asking you to give me faith to belive in you"

- wait a minute, i dont beleive in you, how am i ever to going to obtain my faith by asking you?

on Feb 22, 2004
Muggaz, I hardly think that the apostles would have laid down their lives for something that was made up. No He was very much real and they saw Him do the things He did with their own eyes. Its not uncommon to be low on your faith though. Even the same apostles that were with Jesus and saw Him do those miricles got low on faith from time to time. Remember when the storm came and they woke Jesus up because they were afraid they were going to parish? GCJ
on Feb 22, 2004
This guy from the Raelin sect saw the aliens with his own eyes as well GCJ...

I am sorry, but what gives the 12 apostles who lived circa 2000 years ago more credit that this crackpot?
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