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Published on January 21, 2004 By Muggaz In Consumer Issues
This site is filled with a lot of very smart individuals, and this is a topic that concerns me greatly and a subject of many a debate.

If anyone has read the book ‘High Society’ by Ben Elton, you will be familiar with these ideas. I would like to open this topic for discussion, and hopefully get some educated opinions on the matter.

As we are from all around the world, I expect the opinions will vary greatly, but I would like to see the discussion none the less.

The topic is drugs, and the legalisation of certain substances.

We all know that drugs have an adverse effect on the human body. For a small amount of pleasure, your brain/body will definitely be paying for it in the long run – essentially, this is why drugs are illegal.

We also all know that Alcohol/Tobacco has a rather adverse effect on our bodies, but these substances are legal, so we divulge and binge as much as we see fit – governments around the globe make a lot of money of this, and essentially, this is why these substances are still legal.

The question I ask is this – Why don’t we legalise class A drugs and regulate the use?

My argument for this would be that the money people use to purchase drugs certainly goes to the wrong kind of people at the moment – people who practice prostitution, slave labour and racketeering in general. Drugs have the capacity to generate ridiculous amounts of cash, simply because of the supply and demand – a lot of people want them, only a few people, who have to take a lot of risks, have them – so they can sell them for ridiculous amounts of money to contribute to their own personal wealth.

If the government were to regulate the use, they could be the beneficiaries of these stock piles of cash. Imagine what cocaine or marijuana revenue could do for the public health/education/welfare system? Not only do you prevent these exorbitant amounts of cash getting into the wrong hands, I would say you would put a severe dent in racketeering in general. These are all hypothetical, because we have never seen this in working order. The same people, who sneak the illegal immigrants across the border, are generally the same who sneak the drugs across the border.

I definitely see issues with the regulation of the drugs though – who is to say some 10 year old kid wouldn’t get his hands on a bit of cocaine, and who knows what could happen then. With the money raised, you would hope a fair amount of it would be issued to the education of the negative side effects of drugs to the youth; hopefully this would be a sufficient deterrent.

Whether the authorities like to admit it or not, I can get any drug I want… and I dare say it would be the same for you that live in the cities. People are always going to take drugs… it’s a pro-choice thing. I would like to think that if drugs became readily available, we would still see the same numbers of people abusing them. I don’t think mainstream society would all of the sudden quip ‘yes – its legal to purchase and consume drugs now, I think I might give it a try’ People just aren’t that naïve. They know that the drugs are bad for them, and they should stay away.

In Australia, it is estimated that Alcohol Abuse costs $8billion annually. It is estimated that Australians consume roughly 8 litres per capita (France is 10 litres per capita, but even their children drink wine!), as a Nation of 20 Million that is an awful lot. Alcohol use is also a major cause of drug- or alcohol-related deaths in Australia. In 1998, around 2,000 deaths among persons aged 0-64 years were attributable to the use of alcohol, accounting for 28% of all drug- or alcohol-related deaths in this age group. Tobacco use is the major cause of drug or alcohol-related deaths in Australia. In 1998, around 19,000 deaths were attributable to the use of tobacco, accounting for 80% of all drug-or alcohol-related deaths. It is also concluded that in the 20-29 age group demographic, 40% have used an illicit substance in the last 12 months. Illicit drug use is estimated to have accounted for almost 2% of drug-alcohol related deaths. That’s a pretty strong argument.

I believe there has to be a middle ground somewhere – even if you don’t legalise all class A drugs, the argument in my opinion is a rather strong one, and there has to be room for a compromise somewhere.

I am rather interested to hear your perspectives on this issue – some of you are 18 from Minnesota, and some of you are 32 from London, I would like to know a global view, and educate myself better on this issue.

Thanks

(as a side note – yes, I have taken drugs, and honestly, I believe I am responsible enough to choose what I do to my own body, and yes, I would like to see them legalised and regulated to a degree, so its easier to get them, and when I do purchase them, I know the money is going to our government rather than financing racketeering.)


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on Jan 27, 2004
I guess we'll just keep buying it from the network of Oliver North, Barry Seal (oh, he's dead from them needing to get at his diary, flight records, receipts, and tapes, so used the Congessional hearings to gain authority to access his Swiss bank account), Roger and Bill Clinton's (one was arrested for possession, the other had his face re-constructed due to burnt out sinuses. Of course he won't release his med. records, but a viewing of video of his press conferences show the lines, even with the make-up and hollywood directed lighting, if you ever look)gang under Jackson Stephens in Arkansa, and let's not forget the man who holds the distinction of being nicknamed "Poppy" Bush to his smuggling friends George H.W. Bush (the one who says he was not CIA in 1963 when JFK was shot and a memo was sent saying to tell him there was concern of invasion of Cuba over it. Yeah, the guy who owned zapata oil, was maried to Barbara, and had corp. office in Houston, thus the naming of the ships in the Bay of Pigs the Barbara and the Houston, in 'Operation Zapata').
To those who are un-informed of the 'boxcars' (4X8X20ft. containers) of cocaine which were witnessed being loaded, by two high-school kids who were 'suicided' by placing them on the tracks, this is all just whacko conspiracy theory. Whatever it is, FACT, we can all agree on the issue of even legalizing marijuana, but it will not be done by our elected officials, chosen to vote as we desire, and the illegal and un-taxed proceeds of the sale will continue to line the pockets of the very drug dealers we are trying to eliminate by such acts. WHY? Because we live in a representative Democracy? Because it makes economic sense? Or because the drug dealers who control the outlawing for profit, much as they did in enacting prohibition of alcohol, care for us and our health so need to keep us buying it from their underlings on street corners at controlled mark-ups? And without the bother of taxing to cut anyone else in on the revenue.
Crazy to think there are 'boxcars' worth of cocaine on streets of America, isn't it? I mean it was all brought in by the kids on the street corner we've all seen. They are clearly the deviate genius masterminds of the whole thing and if we just arrest them, it will all go away. Meanwhile, back in Afghanistan, poppy production if going back to pre-Taliban days, the ancient smuggling routes are protected again by (censored due to whacko name which can't be true at all. I guess we'll say, "street corner, jeans around his knees, genius drug dealer" here). Prison population goes up and up and up, and we hear the children sing, "We're all out of prison cells, build us more jails ma" That'll solve this drug problem thingy. Now can we get back to the things that REALLY drive this economy, like sales of arms , I mean, er, Republicans who want to defend democracy and liberate the women of Iraq, please? Glad I got it right on this issue at least. I used to think there was oil and privatization (qua sale of the infrastructure of a sovereign Nation) of Iraq for our, I mean THEIR own good. It feels good to be on the cutting edge of really understanding things as they really are for once.
In closing, Iraq BAD, Republicans GOOD, Democrats UN-AMERICAN, re-elect Bush. When are we going to get to November? "Are we there yet?" Blog On.
on Jan 27, 2004
Haha... you been smokin the cheeba just now?

I would really rather it if this argument stayed well clear of political lines... because honestly, if i may speculate, they both use as much as each other!!!!

Wahkonta Anathema - you are really hitting the point of the argument though.

We just had a music festival here, and the police employed the services of sniffer dogs at this event. That was fricken rediculous. Over 300 cautions were distributed and about 70 summons. What are sniffer dogs going to do to alleviate the problem? Drugs users are at the bottom of the chain... and as you have said, drug use is as old as civilisation... people are ALWAYS going to use drugs... like people are always going to smoke or drink...

Prohibition is not an option, because that will just fill the prisons... i just really think its double stadards, and there has to be a middle ground somewhere, because we canot continue to line criminals pockets with cash. Huge assumption here, but i think its safe to say that columbias little army is financed with drug $$$. The little guy like me has a huge dent in the conscience every time i buy cocaine... i know its financing some gangsta... all i want to do is get trashed guilt free!!!!

on Jan 27, 2004
I apologize for my rant on politics at the end of my post. I woke up negative and reacted to what I perceived as gang bullying on another post. It was knee jerk, emotional and subjective. I do apologize for it and will be more controlled in the future - I hope.
on Jan 28, 2004
Yeah I hear ya Wahkonta. I too have woken up on the wrong side of the bed once or twice perhaps ~chuckles~ ~honorable bow~
on Feb 17, 2004
Muggaz,

You raise some good points but I think your off in a few spots. If the government were to legalize drugs like Marijuiana, Cocaine, and Herione prices would drop off dramatically. Why? Because then the element of supply and demand comes back into realistic margines. Right now drugs can run from pretty cheap (weed) to ridiculusly expensive (Cocaine). Government regulation would argue some form of control over pricing, supply, and most importantly quality.

This actually leads to another benefit, safety. If its government legalized your most likely going to have less addicts and overdoses. Why? Because there will be known, open, non-legal ways to get help and places to do "the high." Granted, the points more opinion on my part than fact but it does kind of fall into line with the common sense rule.

Personally, I'm not sure if the hard drugs should be legalized. They do create far too many problems with very little (to no) benefit but I think they could have benefits in a small, legitimate sense. Cocaine already has forms that are used as pain killers and if legal, and a patient is terminal, why couldn't it be used?

Now marijuiana and X I could see being legal. As long as they're relatively clean sources and the public knows the risks and benefits they couldn't have a much more detrimental effect than alcohol already does. Actually, marijuiana would probably be superior! Have you ever known a nasty stoner?

Finally, your example for a problem with legalization has an unrealistic overtone. A 10 year old ALREADY can get cocaine. Trust me, its out there and easy to get even with the high prices. Hell, how many users of any drug get the first taste for a price? I know I sure didn't with the drugs I've tried. Its all been free from other users. Now granted, if I had kept doing things I would have been paying but I haven't and I don't. Doesn't mean I don't see the point. Let me know if you want any further discussion on this. I''m also at http://www.tealart.com
on Feb 22, 2004
What is everybody going on about with drugs helping you escape reality!? I have been very, very, very high, I've been tripping on LSD and I've had cocaine pumping through my body but I have never, ever escaped reality. It is still very much there and you are still a part of it.

A lot of the non-users posting here sound ignorant to me. That isn't meant as an insult, but more to say that if you have spent your life believing every word the government tells you about drugs then you really are not in a position to comment. The constant stream of lying and half-truths that are used to justify these antiquated laws are not useful when attempting to have a frank discussion on prohibition.

Altering your consciousness is not inheritently a bad thing. For example, many of the advances in computing were made by regular users of psycho-active substances (and still are). Additionally, there is evidence that pretty much every major religion has used psycho-active substances in their rituals in the past.
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