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Get Over It
Published on January 5, 2004 By Muggaz In Current Events
The vibe we are receiving in Australia is that this poor man is being crucified by the American media and general public for something that he, and many Australians consider perfectly normal - maybe we are making a mointain from a molehill, but the media here has a serious inferiority complex, and when anything is reported from America concering Australia, it tends to be rather sensationalised.

Just because you, or your kids weren't brought up near wild animals doesn't give you, or anyone the right to judge someone on their methods of raising their kids.

When i was 2 years old i was in known Shark Waters, and was not unfamiliar with Kangaroos, or any other wild animal for that matter - i have no fear of any animal now, but i am grateful for my parents, as a lot of Australians would be, for educating us on how to act around animals. I have a certain respect for Animals that you cant 'learn' in books.

It is quite normal here, and a man of Steve Irwins stature in the world of wild animals definitlety knows what he is doing - we really need to encourage interaction between man and animal, because i am afraid it will be a thing of the past in the not to distant future.
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on Jan 16, 2004
He MAY of used poor judgement in having the baby in there. But have you seen all the shots taken that day, can you say exactly how far away he was from the croc? Did you see what kind of security was around there? Unless you yourself was there, you can't say for sure what was what. You only saw what the media wanted us all to see. Didn't anyone ever tell you that pictures can be deceiving? Unless you were there you don't know what went on. And it is up to the Qweensland Families Dept to decide what is do be done. Not up to you or I or anyone else for that matter. You are no judge, you have no right to judge.
on Jan 16, 2004
I wouldn't even let my mini-dachshunds around my daughter when she was an infant. They have never bitten anyone, but I wouldn't take a chance. An animal is an animal. No matter how well you think you know them, they always have the ability to do something "bad". Why risk it? His intentions may have been good, but it just seemed like an unnecessary risk. There is plenty of time to teach children about stuff like that- like when they are old enough to interact with you and make their own decisions.
on Jan 16, 2004
it is a crime punishable by up to 2½ years in jail for any person (whether responsible for the care of the child or not), by his or her actions or failure to act when obliged to, to “wantonly or recklessly” create “a substantial risk of serious bodily injury or sexual abuse” to a child under the age of 14 (and in certain circumstances under the age of 18).





on Jan 16, 2004
AR-15 - pretty hard to argue against the pictures.
on Jan 16, 2004
I haven't read all of the posts, so maybe this has been said...but I don't have as much of a problem with the act of holding the baby that close to the crocodile as I do the *way* he was holding him, not supporting the baby's head and neck, and then afterward bouncing this 1 month old around, head bobbing like a bobble doll, simulating the infant running away from the croc. That was really what scared me more than the crocodile.
on Jan 17, 2004
Okay, do any of you people who agree with what Steve did actually have children? Have you ever held your newborn? You shouldn't even hold a newborn that age without supporting its neck and head (basic infant care) which Steve was also doing wrong. He was flopping that poor little guy all over the place. I just think that Steve knows a lot more about dealing with animals than with caring for newborn humans. Again, it is their child. If they want to risk neck injury and possible croc attack, that is their perogative. I would chalk it up to natural selection.

BTW, it wouldn't matter how many people were standing by, if that croc took one quick snap on a 4wk old, tiny infant, it would be game over. Plus, you can always say that you saw someone else doing something as bad if not worse with their kids. That still doesn't make what he did any safer.

"The media is out to sell papers." Duh!
on Jan 19, 2004
'The media is out to sell papers'

of course they are... but they shouldn't sensationalise issues to sell more papers.

This is an interesting discussion...

Steve IS putting on a show to TEACH us about animals

Sigfried and Roy are putting on a show to make $$$

can someone who is smart with this please post the alternate pictures from the different angle?
on Jan 19, 2004
You can show whatever angle you want. The croc was close enough for Steve to drop the chicken and the croc could scarf it in a milisecond. I'm with hollyfig (whose post wasn't showing when I posted. There was some weird delay there). He handled the baby with diregard to supporting his head and neck. You don't do that with a newborn! Ask any doctor in Australia or anywhere else. My pediatrician would slap you into next week if she saw you handle an infant that way, croc or no croc.

I reiterate that he should stick with animals.

Jamie Burnside: You have got to be the nicest person on the net You always have only nice or humorous things to say. You win my Mr. Congeniality award.

Mary, I don't know where you are from but everyone has the right to their own opinion. We don't have the right to do anything we want about it but we certainly have the right to voice it. Matter of fact, I bet a lot of people react to this sort of thing with a kneejerk, gut reaction. I bet until Hollyfig said it, noone posting prior had even thought about the way he was holding and jostling the infant. They were too busy defending the fact that he had the baby around the croc. As I said before, it was his child but if it were my baby, I would have been pressing charges for child endangerment. And that is my final word on that
on Jan 19, 2004
I'm waiting to find out if even one of Steve's defenders has a child of their own.
on Jan 20, 2004
I dont have a child... both you and i know the world isn't ready for a Jr Mug Man yet...

but, as you will observe in the original piece, Just because you, or your kids weren't brought up near wild animals doesn't give you, or anyone the right to judge someone on their methods of raising their kids.

Yes, he held the baby wrong.

however... he definitely knew what he was doing... his 5 year old daughter is an expert snake handler ffs. There is absolutely nothing to worry about in this instance. Who knows, one day his baby might get eaten by a dingo, and i will have pie on my face... but if that does happen, i am sure Steve Irwin would have done absolutely everything in his considerable dingo repelling power to prevent said hypothetical disaster from occuring.

Peace Out.
on Jan 23, 2004
I once had a friend in Texas. We had just gotten back from the grocery store and my friend had bought himself a nice big Texas size T-bone steak. When we got to my place, we got out of the car to go into the house when my dog came rushing up to greet us. My friend took his Texas T-bone out of the bag and held it up high in the air to taunt the dog. I am here to tell you, I have never in my entire life seen a Texas sized T-bone steak disapear so quickly.
Moral of the story being: never taunt an animal.
Steve's baby could just as well, have disappeared as quickly as that Texas size T-bone steak did that day. GCJ
on Mar 13, 2004
Hi my name is dory herman and I am a very big fan of Steve irwin and I think that the big deal the media made about steve is rediculious steve is one of the best animal experts in the world his only mission in life is to make this world a better place by keeping indandured animals from being extinct and threstened species fom being extinct and educate the idiots of the world how important nature is.
on Apr 13, 2004
I agree he knows what he is doing. The incident with Bob is being overreacted because of several reasons. First, Bindi is his first kid and with her he took more precautions to learn what to do and not to do and like most parents knew what to do when Bob was born. Second, Terri doesn't seem like a pushover I mean common on people she worked with cougars. I don't think she'd let the cougar be with anybody she trust or the cougar didn't like....so I don't think she'd let Steve do anything with their children that she knew he couldn't handle. Thirdly, if you have ever watched any of his shows in the zoo, zoo staff are always reminding Steve to watch himself and telling him where the animals are. And people look at the picture it sounds like people are saying that he was teasing the animal with the baby. The crocs usually hate Steve in their territory and him with food is a plus. The croc would have most likely lunged at the chicken or Steve before trying to kill Bob. And look at his body posture he isn't dangling the kid in front of him, his body is obscuring the croc's view of Bob. Finally, if the croc did start lunging at Steve zoo staff would be right there and if it was lunging at Bob, Steve probably would have jump on it. People from 9 years old he was catching croc and going solo trapping them and sometimes injured but handle them with near ease.

And for you people talking about him annoying and pestering the animals, I think I'd rather be caught and put in a zoo then be shot for being in "people habitat" and not only would i be not dead I would be in one of the best zoo in the world. Instead of my food being throw in my cage I get the thrill of chasing a hated enemy out of my territory

Thank you,
Please "Get Over It"
on May 13, 2004
Actually there was an eyewitness who phoned "Sunrise". She was there in the audience the day that that footage was taken. And the angles are wrong - apparently one stve was holding Bob well away from the croc behind his back and when he was "walking" Bob near the edge of the pool the croc is actually on the other side. And at all times there are like 5-10 people near the pen, there are people in Steve's ear and Terri was just on the outside

It was a publicity stunt, the baby was in no danger according to someone who was there on that day in the audience.

just my 2c
on Dec 11, 2004
i disagree he did it to get the baby into the family busness
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