George W. casting Hitler in the Shade

according to a 'Tyrant'

Published on August 22, 2004 By Muggaz In Politics

If you really want to antagonise the worlds super power, basically ignore their attempts at diplomatic discussion, and refer to their President as someone worse than Hitler… Go North Korea!!!

Even though referring to Kim Jong II as a Tyrant probably isn’t the most diplomatic of methods when it comes to communication between the US and North Korea, this latest tirade from the ‘Axis of Evil’ administration creates a scary political climate that is not warranted.

The DPRK (The Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea) blame hostile rhetoric stemming from the US as one of the reasons bi-lateral talks with the US, China, Japan, Russia and South Korea will be suspended.

The personal attacks launched on Bush are also not helpful to a peaceful cause – the administration remarked “(Bush is) a political imbecile bereft of even elementary morality as a human being and a bad guy, much less being a politician" and said he had started wars in Iraq and elsewhere "to commit genocide as he pleases."

The statement also went on to say "Bush is a tyrant that puts Hitler into the shade and his group of such tyrants is a typical gang of political gangsters," the statement said, adding that North Korea would increase its defense capabilities a "thousand times."

For talks to commence, the DPRK is asking for energy aid, lifting of economic sanctions and removal from Washington's list of state sponsors of terrorism. It is painfully obvious that whilst Bush is in power, progressive talks with North Korea will not happen. Should Kerry fail to win the November election, the responsibility of peace in the region will be left to China, and the intervention of European nations.

Don’t hold your breath.

BAM!!!
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Comments (Page 2)

Culpy67

on Aug 23, 2004

Well lets face it kim is a complete nut you can't trust anything he says. Don't count out China either, I know they aren't friends but they don't like him anymore then we do. Eventually it will get ugly no matter which road we take. But I will bet that China will step in before we do, I can't believe that China will want us taking care of the problem, they don't want us in their area at all. Look they are starving their own people, if it wasn't for us in the first place they wouldn't be able to feed them.

Lee1776

on Aug 24, 2004

Good point Culpy

For China, North Korea is like the Proverbial "Red Headed stepchild". They can't kill it because if they do so they risk braking faith with the "All for one Communist Society" thing that they have been telling their people since the revolution.

If the US tried to invade North Korea (or nuke first) then the Chinese would simply scream "Look at the big boy invades the poor innocent country". This would be the best way for China to get the US booted out of the Pacific, while all the time reflaming its people.
The Chinese have one big problem; they no longer have their people fired up. If they could do that, they could take control of what they don't already have of Asia (to include East Russia).

China's biggest fear should be Kim Il getting nukes and using them on anyone. That opens North Korea to invasion or at least a western imposed leadership change. Another way is to invade North Korea themselves and beat the US to the punch (if the nuked someone).

Their best bet would be to due the espionage of destroying the nukes themselves and blame the US, South Korea, and/or Japan.

Do not under estimate the Chinese. During the Clinton Administration they where able to get control of the Panama Canal, steel computer disk drives with nuke dieograms, get Clinton to sell them the Super Computers that those disk goes into, sucker private investors into pumping tons of money/tech into factories still over 51% owned by the Chinese government, and got Clinton to institute a joint US/China research program on how to launch satellites/ICBMs into space (Like we need to study that). refences on request

SSG Geezer

on Aug 24, 2004

Muggaz, You really don't understand what a stalinist state is.
The President's statement that they are "Evil" is true by anyones definition of the word.
Go google for sites that report on NK refugees trying to escape through China. Heed their
words, and wonder why they would risk death or a lifetime on starvation rations in the gulags
to escape "The Workers Paradise".
Do 11 years of this sort of reasearch and then we can argue about the painfully obvious facts.

Muggaz

on Aug 24, 2004

*bangs head against wall*

LW - for someone who is disgusted by me - you look like my biggest fan!!! jumping from thread to thread to enjoy friendly dialogue with me!!! nice!!!

I am not going to say anything of note here, except ask you to read my article again, and any comments - I am no fan of North Korea... I dont like North Korea, I am opposed to North Korea.

LW - you relally dont want me to point out the various "I would like to see them try it" or "bring it on" responses, because you will be made to look very foolish, and I dont want to do that to you... however, I will gladly do it upon further request if you sincerly beleive that attitude has not been on display.

BAM!!!

The Crusaders

on Aug 29, 2004

President Bush scares the hell out of me and the thought that he may be re elected is one of the most terrifying signs for the future. The Alternative may not be your perfect choice, but really, is the prospect of walking into the future with Bush such a positive idea...look at what he has done so far....do you want it to continue?

Eswiv

on Aug 29, 2004

That's your expert opinion, sandy? Oddly, the missile research you allude to has spawned technologies currently at use in the military every day.

If you go back and look, people were saying the same thing about the B-2 bomber before they realized they had no idea what they were talking about. Kerry voted against it, too, oddly.

Granted, I'm sure folks sitting at home watching TV know all about what is really going on in (classified) missile defense research. Why would I ever question them?

The missile defense system is based on four principles. First, that there is a real threat of nuclear attack. Second, that the system will actually work. Third, that it will not cause significant deterioration of our international relations. Finally, that the costs will be reasonable.

As for the first point -

There is not a significant ICBM threat to the U.S. to warrant continuation of the program. The only real threats are China and Russia, neither of whom would, in their wildest dreams, launch at the U.S. The CIA has reported that, indeed, there is no notable threat of nuclear launches on the United States.

As for the threat from rogue states, they pose too insignificant a threat to warrant the system. The State Departent acknowledges that North Korea has not been involved in international terrorism in over 15 years, and their missile program is not sufficiently developed to strike accurately or reliably at the United States.

"As for North Korea, Iran, or Iraq, there are other methods of dealing with the threat of a ballistic missile attack from these nations that would be far less costly and far more effective than building a multibillion-dollar missile shield. But instead of picking up where the Clinton administration left off in talks with Pyongyang, Bush started his term by delaying further negotiations until his administration could conduct a comprehensive review of U.S. policy toward North Korea. As Spurgeon Keeny, president of the Arms Control Association, notes, Bush's actions (or lack thereof) are "widely perceived internationally as intended to preserve, and even enhance, the North Korean ballistic missile threat so that it can serve as the rationale for early deployment of a national missile defense." Initial Bush administration efforts to restart the talks with North Korea aroused skepticism when new demands were laid on Pyongyang in the area of conventional force reductions without indicating when or whether Washington would meet its original obligations under the framework agreement. If implemented as planned, the framework agreement could scale back and eventually eliminate Pyongyang's nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs as part of an overall improvement in U.S.-North Korean economic and political relations. President Bush should fulfill America's long-overdue commitments under the nuclear framework agreement with North Korea and should continue to support South Korea's efforts at cooperation and reconciliation with North Korea."

-- Michelle Ciarrocca and William Hartung, Star Wars Revisited, Foreign Policy In Focus, Volume 6, Number 25, June 2001

I think that sums it up well.

Were, however, say Iran or North Korea to develop into real nuclear threats, the threat is to their immediate regions, and not the United States itself, thus making the missile defense system rather useless.

From 1957 to 2003 the United States spend 149 billion on the project. The costs of finishing development, deploying, and maintaining the system are expected to be between 800 billion and 1.2 trillion.

The system has simply not proven itself to work, and even the developers admit it would be easilly overwhelmed by a large number of projectiles and/or decoys.

Yay for that classified missile defense research.

SSG Geezer

on Aug 29, 2004

According to the history channel's research on the Soviet missile forces, they came to a high level of alert on at least two occasions during the 1990's
due to their deteriorating overhead satellite surveillance system giving them either launch indicators or no data as if they were attacked bt ASAT missiles.
This brought them close to sending a retaliatory strike at the U.S. Missile defense contractors~putting it to us. The Idea of missile defense- worth
continuing the research. **NOTE** The story may have been on one of the discovery channels and not the history channel but they interviewed the head of
Russia's missile forces for it.

Muggaz

on Aug 29, 2004

Stanislav Petrov was the Russian officer responsible for averting nuclear war in 1983 - The Russian equipment was reporting a strike, but Stanislav did something no soldier is ever allowed to do - trust his better judgement - he did so, and lickily we are all here living happy today. The Russian government only recently de-classified this information.

They dont look so good with faulty early warning systems, and not unlike Eswiv, I beleive the whole star wars fiasco to be a gross mis-appropriation of $150billion... even though Australia is signed in a sa benefactor, it only makes for a hostile environment...

BAM!!!

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