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based on ugly precedents set by their enemies.
Published on August 18, 2004 By Muggaz In International
The Olympics are supposed to be a time of reflection and enjoyment, with ideals of peace being put on the table by the worlds athletes, it would seem that Iran is out to ruin everyone’s party though

A few days ago, and Iranian athlete refused to compete with an Israeli athlete, which is fair enough, each to their own, we can move on from that, but now, the Iranian government is not ruling out pre-emptive strikes on US and Israeli forces in the Middle East should they feel their Nuclear reactor at Bushehr under threat.

Iranian Defence Minister – Ali Shamkhani has warned “We will not sit (With arms folded) to wait for what others will do to us. Some military commanders in Iran are convinced that preventative operations which the Americans talk about are not their monopoly” This was during an interview with Al-Jazeera TV when asked if Iran would respond to an attack on its nuclear facilities.

"America is not the only one present in the region. We are also present, from Khost to Kandahar in Afghanistan; we are present in the Gulf and we can be present in Iraq,"

The commander of the Elite revolutionary guards, General Muhammad Baqir Zolqadr has also warned - "If Israel fires one missile at Bushehr atomic power plant, it should permanently forget about Dimona nuclear centre, where it produces and keeps its nuclear weapons, and Israel would be responsible for the terrifying consequence of this move,"

They look like fighting words.

Should the Iranians make the first strike against Israeli or US forces, It will be safe to say we will have a genuine bloody conflict on our hands. We think Iraq and Afghanistan are human rights tragedies, we haven’t seen anything yet.

Iran would obviously be comfortable with making a pre-emptive strike, because they feel genuinely threatened. They maintain that their nuclear facilities are for energy production – That is for them to say, and us to believe.

The threat that Iran will attack opposing forces in the region is a very real one if they feel threatened. It’s a shame that the targets of Iran's hostilities set the unfortunate precedent that pre-emptive strikes are acceptable.

BAM!!!

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on Aug 20, 2004
Was Bill Clinton lying to us when we launched airstrikes against Iraq in 1998? Did you know that John Kerry was in favor of a ground invasion of Iraq in the late 90s?


Did Clinton come into office with the plan to attack Iraq?

At worst, Bush was parroting what many people, including congress, presidents, intelligence agencies, and even other countries had been saying for years.


And everyone of these groups were sighting faulty inteligence. Clinton sighted false inteligence too, but guess who was the president at the time that inteligence was collected. Bush Sr. was. Before Bush was president he was also the director of the CIA. It is now known that the current president encouraged the inteligence community to come up with evidence to invade Iraq, and even after being told that the evidence was false he had it inserted into the state of the union. The difference is that the president knew it was a lie.
on Aug 20, 2004
Do yu really think that a country like Iran can fight the strongest country in the world? a rag tag group of ak totting militia can beat a military that is more powerful than the next 5 most powerful militarie combined?
on Aug 20, 2004
Do yu really think that a country like Iran can fight the strongest country in the world? a rag tag group of ak totting militia can beat a military that is more powerful than the next 5 most powerful militaries combined?
on Aug 20, 2004
The next time I refuse to address something and people ask why, please remember sandy2 .

This is a war of attrition. A liberal parrot wanders in, makes a bunch of claims, someone takes an hour of their time to refute them intelligently...

...and then two days later some other parrot wanders in and says the same damn thing again, demanding answers.

It is pointless, mainly because the people at the root of all these arguments KNOW they are false, they KNOW they are lying, but they think it is worth it to succeed in their political aims. They know people like sandy2 will pick up on the lies and spread them around, and that eventually Republicans will realize the impossibility of staying on messageboads 24 hours a day to refute all their little robots...

on Aug 20, 2004
It is now known that the current president encouraged the inteligence community to come up with evidence to invade Iraq, and even after being told that the evidence was false he had it inserted into the state of the union.


That is simply not true.

All these claims were refuted by the 911 commission and, as such, have now become a repetitive mantra of the tin-foil hat crowd in an attempt to 'wag the dog'.
on Aug 20, 2004
It is pointless, mainly because the people at the root of all these arguments KNOW they are false, they KNOW they are lieing, but they think it is worth it to suceed in their political aims. They know people like sandy2 will pibk up on the lies and spread them around, and that eventually Republicans will realize the impossibility of staying on messageboads 24 hours a day to refute all their little robots...


You are calling my uninteligent. Fine. That is your opinion. You are calling me a liar. Fine that is also your opinion. But you will not call me a robot. I come up with my own ideas. Obviously you have not seen all of my posts. I am not liberal across the board. I am not picking up on lies and spreading them. I understand if you don't want to hear my ideas. I understand if you don't agree with my ideas. But don't tell me that I don't think for myself.
on Aug 20, 2004
If you thin kit is bad now, asshat Micheal Moore has two more books coming out before November. Expect an army of sandy2's with their cut-and-paste bombs...
on Aug 20, 2004
sandy: I call you a robot because you are reciting the same tired mantra, even though it has been refuted. Okay, maybe you aren't a robot, maybe you are a stuck record player, or an old encyclopedia, or some other metaphor for something that constantly repeats something regardless of the fact that it has been refuted ages ago.

on Aug 20, 2004
Was Bill Clinton lying to us when we launched airstrikes against Iraq in 1998? Did you know that John Kerry was in favor of a ground invasion of Iraq in the late 90s?


Who care Madine... they were lying, or they weren't, there is nothing we can do about it now...

Stop making excuses for Bush based on mistakes of past administrations...

BAM!!!
on Aug 20, 2004
sandy: I call you a robot because you are reciting the same tired mantra, even though it has been refuted. Okay, maybe you aren't a robot, maybe you are a stuck record player, or an old encyclopedia, or some other metaphor for something that constantly repeats something regardless of the fact that it has been refuted ages ago.


Baker, you are an excellent debater... why do you resort to condescension? Sandy has put forward some brilliant arguments, and it is not at all tired rhetoric... It may be tired for you, because you are constantly being asked to stand up for those you agree with... these same points heve merit, no matter how much you claim to have refuted, you can beleive what you want, we know where your allegiances lie, and the amount of empathy you are capable of... as long as you have access to the internet, and gas for your car, you will be just fine.

BAM!!!
on Aug 20, 2004
Please, Mugs, you have been a part of these discussions, too. Read post #75 and tell me that isn't a caricature of every tired anti-Bush tirade that has ever been posted here. The 9-11 commission has addressed this stuff, Bush has addressed this stuff, KERRY has addressed it for heaven's sake...

The only people that are still carrying those banners are the "anyone but Bush at all costs" crowd, and I'm personally tired of "debating" them. Sorry if I come off as jaded, but it is akin to dragging someone outside over and over to show them that the sky is blue. Once night comes, they refuse to believe you and demand you show them again tomorrow. They just know that sooner or later you'll give up and they can freely mislead people.

If people *still* want to keep saying Bush invaded Iraq because of Halliburton, fine, but they don't deserve debate, they deserve derision.
on Aug 20, 2004
Bakerstreet- now I'm being accused of copying and pasting? Have you read some of my more detailed posts? Furhter, I understand that you disagree with me about Iraq. Do you disagree however about the fact that the money the US government is spending in Iraq has been misapropriated? Here is a link from the Washington Post. Link

on Aug 20, 2004
sandy2: flawed reasoning. Because money is being mishandled, you use that as proof that Iraq was invaded so that money could be mishandled. You say "halliburton" and ignore the fact that these are often subsidiaries and subcontracters, and in the end you glue it all together to make the point you want to make. I used the words " copy and paste" because these are practically verbaitim rants that we have heard over and over and over for more than a year now. All of them get investigated, nothing ever happens, and when the dust settles someone starts spouting it again.

Like I said earlier, I don't think any of this needs to be hashed out again, so I am not gonna take your bait and hash it out again. If you want to relive history there are untold numbers of threads here that discuss the same things you are talking about. Why bother with it again, unless you just want to keep the propaganda at the top of the forums?

on Aug 20, 2004
iran's theocracy is nowhere near as dangerous as north korea's justplaincrazy.


I am going to have to disagree with you on this one kingbee. Religious fundamentalism in control of a government is as scary as it gets.

Wait a sec...OUR government is being run by a religious fundamentalist...

Ahhh crap...
on Aug 20, 2004
Who care Madine... they were lying, or they weren't, there is nothing we can do about it now...


I'm not making excuses, I don't need to.

I am pointing out that it is silly to suggest that Bush was fabricating the information about Iraq unless you are prepared to say that Clinton and Kerry were too, since they held the same or similar positions.
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