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Published on July 22, 2004 By Muggaz In Blogging
America, Australia, England... all countries that have a diverse range of ethnicities. You would be hard pressed to come across an urbanised citizen from any of these nations who does not know at least one person from a minute diversity, hence, these people will all know someone who has suffered from being part of the minority...

Racism, prejudice, all negative connotations coming from the other side of the fence... What about the racism and prejudice from the other side of the fence? It makes me sad.

When immigrants come to the west, they know it isn't going to be easy on them, they know they will be segregated by religion, belief and/or the colour of their skin, I tell you what though, they dont make it any easier on themselves either.

I know a beautiful Sikh girl... her parents immigrated from India, and she was born in the country of choice - She is 100% American. Do you think she has the freedom of an typical American girl though? No... she does, but at the expense of the respect of her community.

This is just one particular example that makes me upset... this girl lives with the shaddow of ostracism if she does anything against the common trends of her community.

She lives with a spectre of fear... whatever she does in her life, she needs approval from not only her parents, but the wider Indian community.

When the initial immigrants come to the country of choice - i.e. her parents, they are prepared for any trials or tribulations they may face, and often they come to their chosen country so their children can live better lives filled with oppurtunity - it's not oppurtunity if it's forced down the throat though.

What kind of parents would put their child in a position to be surrounded by other cultures, yet if you mingle with them, and god forbid, fall in love with one of them, you will be ostracised and looked down upon by your community?

We look at a lot of cultures from around the world, and none seem to share the individualistic traits that the young and modernized countries/cultures have amongst their populace, whether this is a good or bad thing, well, the jury is still out on that.

When people from these cultures come to make a better life in coutries that allow it, coutries that allow and embrace individual excellence, surely they must renounce the archaic customs of said cultures?

I would never suggest anything like renouncing festivals, or celebrations - each to their own, but when it comes to socialising and only courting people from within said cultures, it kind of makes you think... there are certainly conveyors of prejudice on both sides of the fence.

It's not as bad as it used to be, I will say that much - but there are still those out there that suffer from traditions that should have died long ago... or, at least remained at home.

BAM!!!


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on Jul 22, 2004
I dont always think Stereotypes are a bad thing...

It teaches you to respect other people because they may or may not have certain beleifs... I always approach someone of a different culture with a stereotype... and wait till i get to know them before I make a judgement... You cant approach any situation with at least some pre-conceived notion on how the other person is going to act...

then again, my stereotypes are about respecting the other people, and their possible beliefs/values... other people will stereotype with negative connotations...

BAM!!!
on Jul 22, 2004

I agree Muggaz stereotyping someone is something we do automatically at times unfortunately but you can use it in a positive way at times and stereotypes may not always apply to a specific person's appearance... Sorry I wasn't very clear in my last reply.  I personally try and form an opinion on a person based on character, or I wait to make my judgement on them. 

on Jul 22, 2004
Of course not every man with a knife is a killer (ie; could have been a butcher) but there is a reason that stereotype exists you know?

I'm missing your point. Are you supporting or condemning sterotypes? And I do not think that my avoiding a man with a bloody knife is a stereotype. It is a matter of risk. The down side of assuming the worst in that case is much better than the down side of assuming the best.
on Jul 22, 2004

Well I was really trying to say that stereo types can go both ways, positive and negative.  I wasn't very clear though.  When you see a man with a knife you automatically form a stereotype to avoid him which if he is a killer is a good thing but if he is a butcher it's not good because you are classifying him. 

on Jul 22, 2004
AS an example... say If i was to go out with an Indian girl... I would approach the situation very timidly, and be afraid of what her father may think of me - because of his possible stereotype of White folk, because I have respect for him...

However, he is going to stereotype me as uncultured trash merely because I am white... because thats what his culture tells him...

My stereotype of him will only help my situation, because it brings respect from me to him,. yet his stereotype of me is only painful for us both...

BAM!!!
on Jul 23, 2004
I don't think he has a stereotype for you as uncultured trash merely cause you are white. He has a stereotype that your not of the indian culture merely cause you are white.....and that if his daughter marries you, she will lose her indian decent....and thus be judged by other indians. He wouldn't think less of you cause ur white, but in the same token he wouldnt' accept u with his daughter either. And this is why you shouldn't even try gaining his acceptance, becasue as long as he is indian and believes these stubborn views, then he will never accept you.

I don't agree with my culture. I think it's so hypocritical to have to marry an indian guy just cause it salvages the "family pride." And it doesn't just stop there....it's not that you have to just marry an indian and that is the end of the judgement....oh no, u don't get off that easily...you have to marry an indian guy that is of your elite cast and of your religion. CAST?!??! You would think that cast system stopped back in the day of the kings and queens and the peasants. No way...this cast system is still very much alive in the indian community. This cast system haunts and segregates indians within their own community. The funny thing is that you can't even tell the difference between casts unless you specifically ask. Yet an indian doctor will always be looked down upon as of lower cast no matter how much education he has, and an Indian trucker will always be looked up to because he is of higher cast. Basically your born into a stereotype, and you can't get out of it no matter how much education or success you achieve.

Different orgin and religion....who cares if someone is from New Delhi or Punjab??? Indian people,of course, because they are so narrowminded and lost in their social image that they fail to recognise the advancement of the culture in the countries they are living in. IT doesn't matter where you live- America,Uk, Germany.....the indian traditions will always haunt you...and until you marry, your parents will always lecture on the family status and the pride. The only way to ride yourself of these traditions is if you rebel and do what you want without caring about the looks and whispers of other indians. The new generation is rebeling and for this, I am greatly thankful.

To make matters worse, it's okay for an Indian guy to go out to clubs, date different ethnicities, smoke, drink...whatever. But if a girl were to do that, then she has to live with the burdens of shame and judgement. I don't know why this is, since Sikhism teaches equality within women and men. It's this inferiority rank created ages ago, that men are better than women. There are thousands of women that abort their baby girls because of this rank. Cause of this inferiority complex, there is almost twice as many males than females in India because families fear that having a daughter might be a risk in their family pride.

This family pride, this status is what it ultimately boils down to. If Indian people just stopped worrying about their status and how others perceive them as, then there would be no problem.
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